If The Government Says That It's Not About Freedom, Then It's Just NOT

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  1. Keith Lee says:

    This makes me think of Zero Hedge's comment about the complete irrelevance of traditional media (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/irrelevance-traditional-media-reporting).

    The thrust of their message is that large, traditional media companies are so ingrained and have so much invested in maintaining the status quo (access, influence, etc.) that they are completely worthless when it comes to providing real news. There's a reason we're hearing about the Afghan was from WikiLeaks and not the NYT. Expecting a large newspaper to act like the 4th Estate instead of the 4th Branch is a bit of a stretch nowadays I think.

  2. Imaginary Lawyer says:

    So large commercial groceries should be subject to onerous regulations that we don't imposed on those nice hemp-wearing organic collectives because, dude, they're like for the people? Or are we just trusting the LA Times's reporting skills for some unusual reason?

  3. Ken says:

    No. I think the regulations on the big corporate stores should be scrutinized as well.

  4. Imaginary Lawyer says:

    Fair enough.

    While it's wise to be cautious of government, I suspect Neeser's quote was less about "we're the government, trust us" *Jedi hand wave* than about responding to the charge that it's The Man picking on the hippies at the behest of Big Milk. That meme was used very profitably by unscrupulous "dietary supplement" companies to avoid any oversight of their industry.

    As for applauding the government, this is not about the government forbidding people from drinking raw milk; it's perfectly legal to buy and sell raw milk in California, provided you have the appropriate permits. Later in the LA Times article it's noted that the owners of Rawesome apparently thought they had a cute way to get around all those silly rules about running a "store".

    Interestingly, it appears that other groceries catering to the faux-hippies stopped selling raw milk not because of The Man, but because of The Money. Specifically, because liability insurance was too expensive; in other words, the market decided that the potential costs from harm caused by drinking raw milk outweighed the profit of selling it.

  5. mojo says:

    “This is about making sure people are safe.”

    Whether they want to be or not. Safety Uber Alles!

  6. Charles says:

    I'd be opposed to the raw milk ban but for the fact that parents may end up killing their children. This isn't a "what about the children" lament so much as a feeling that parents who give their kids raw milk are committing the same gross crime against science, common sense and the actual well-being of their own kids as the folks that won't vaccinate their kids are committing.

  7. Patrick says:

    Parents can give their children cigarettes and beer Charles, with the government none the wiser. Yet they're allowed to purchase cigarettes and beer, even though these products are far more dangerous than raw milk from a farm that observes proper sanitation.

    For that matter, we don't force parents to vaccinate their children, for reasons that are no doubt stupid.

  8. MadRocketScientist says:

    If it just saves one life, it'll be worth it. It's for the children!

  9. Imaginary Lawyer says:

    Patrick, are parents who give their children cigarettes and beer doing so legally, or merely escaping the government's notice? It's also, as far as I can tell from the article, not illegal to purchase raw milk; the problem is selling raw milk without the appropriate permits. Likely children are part of the rationale because it's legal to give your kids milk (not so much giving them Jack Daniels) and kids tend to consume a lot of milk.

    Which is a long way of saying I'm not really following your rhetoric.

  10. Chris says:

    They mention that there was a raid in Minnesota, but they don't mention that it was after several people got sick in an e. coli outbreak traced to a single farm, run by a guy with a long history of serious food safety violations. After they found massive e. coli contamination on his farm, the guy still denied the possibility that his products were contaminated, and loudly proclaimed how good for you they were.

  11. Shay says:

    Raw milk is a bad idea for adults and a worse one for kids. There is no nutritional benefit to it, and it's dangerous. "Nuff said.

  12. Fnord says:

    I'm fond of the government's action, either, but be fair to the LA times.

    The opening is flippant, true. But it's making fun of the police at least as much as the hippies (probably more).

    Then you quote the possibly the most pro-government line in the whole piece, ignoring:
    "But raw milk in particular has drawn a lot of regulatory scrutiny, largely because the politically powerful dairy industry has pressed the government to act."
    ""This is about control and profit, not our health," said Aajonus Vonderplanitz, co-founder of Rawesome Foods. "How can we not have the freedom to choose what we eat?""

    As for the actual players, neither really comes out looking clean. The Rawsome owners appear to be trying to do an end-run around a licensing system:
    "It is legal for licensed dairies to sell raw milk at retail outlets in California and 10 other states, according to research by the National Conference of State Legislatures. "
    Licensing isn't exactly free-market niceness, but it's not a ban, either.

    As for the government, you have police doing guns-drawn raids over licensing issues. Next thing we know, they'll need a SWAT team to issue parking tickets.

  13. Mary says:

    Shay – "Raw milk is a bad idea for adults and a worse one for kids. There is no nutritional benefit to it, and it’s dangerous. “Nuff said." It's not so much that your statements are completely wrong & obviously uneducated, but the sheer carelessness & confidence with which you so self-righteously spout your ignorance as some sort of authoritative opinion. You are, in however small a manner, a shining example here of the complete ignorance of this country's population when it comes to nutrition. No surprise that we are the fattest & sickest country on the face of the planet. Thanks so much for sharing.

  14. CIA says:

    Ha these fools are stupid ! GOVERNMENT SUCKS ! guess ppl will be reading books on the scum bags who screwed over the country in 2010 ! RAW IS BETTER !

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