Was That Wrong? Should We Not Have Done That?

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  1. the meeting already happened. Someone filmed it – it's here –

  2. Paul Baxter says:

    I guess if you're Chinese you just screwed.

  3. Ken says:

    Or of racially mixed parentage, as the person discussed at that blog link found out.

    To be clear, I suspect this is a case of attempted forced diversity rather than a racist "limit the blacks in office" thing. It's still jaw-droppingly ignorant and foolish.

  4. Jag says:

    A black person as President (of a student body)? That's just crazy talk.

  5. Richard Hershberger says:

    Do teachers unions represent administrators? I could be wrong, but I don't think so. It would require some impressive contortions to not blame this on the administration.

  6. Brian Dunbar says:

    Wouldn’t you love to be in the room when the people who enacted this policy, or turned it into a chart, or distributed it, explain why they thought it was legal or appropriate?

    I'll bet a devalued American dollar the explanation is something like "well, um, that's way it was at university, and our hiring practices are de facto setup that way so … why not?"

  7. Keith says:

    As we say in Alabama, "Thank God for Mississippi."

  8. Dave (ND) says:

    Not that I agree with either practice, but how is this significantly different than gerrymandered city council districts?

  9. Ken says:

    Funny, Dave, I just got finished answering you on that elsewhere.

    Gerrymandered districts do not restrict the ethnicity of candidates. People may stand for election, and voters may vote for them, regardless of race. Gerrymandering and the preferences of the gerrymandered electorate may make a particular result more likely, but that's not the same as saying that as a matter of law people are excluded from the office based on race.

    It's the difference between disparate impact analysis and de jure restriction analysis.

    Gerrymandering would be a better analogy if the school said "this year only people on sports team X or who take school bus Y can vote for vice-president."

    Not that I agree with gerrymandering either.

  10. Ken says:

    Note the update.

  11. Dave (ND) says:

    I guess my real point is that we should be as outraged by gerrymandering as we are with this.

  12. Ken says:

    I figured. But there's only so many hours in the day.

  13. Matt Raft says:

    @Dave and Ken: the first thing that came to mind was gerrymandering after I read the post. It's nice to see that my mental "bloviating" (yes, that one's for you, Richard H.) is sometimes capable of rising to the level of discourse here :-)

    At Justice O'Connor can sleep soundly at night, knowing there aren't any people getting killed by open car doors in this gerrymandering case :-)

    (From _Shaw v. Reno_: a group of white North Carolina voters challenged the creation of two North Carolina majority-minority districts, which had the approval of the attorney general. One of the districts at issue had the shape of a "bug splattered on a windshield." The other district was so thin in parts that one legislator remarked, "If you drove down the interstate with both car doors open, you'd kill most of the people in the district.")

  14. Matt Raft says:

    Whoops, I meant "At _least_ Justice O'Connor…"

  15. CTrees says:

    You know… In my high school (this is Charleston area, South Carolina, again), our prom kings and queens were like this. Through the entire history of the school, there was never a mixed couple, and it altered every year. White one year, black the next. Yeah, too big a sample size to possibly be the result of honest voting.

    Everyone thought it was either funny or moderately inappropriate, if they thought about it at all. Looking back on it, I really should've been more offended (but hey, I was a track star, not a football star, so there was no chance I'd be eligible, anyway…).

  16. Imaginary Lawyer says:

    Oh, it's better than being "screwed" if you're biracial:

    Brandy is Italian and Dondi is African-American. Her oldest daughter is white, and her youngest two kids are biracial. When she asked what category they would fall in, she was told, to "go by the mother’s race b/c with minorities the father isn’t generally in the home.”

  17. SPQR says:

    We let morons like this educate our children.

    Sometimes I wonder why our civilization hasn't already collapsed.

  18. Ken says:

    SPQR, who says it hasn't?

    Did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode where the robber finds himself in an increasingly banal and unsatisfying Heaven, only to realize that it is actually Hell?

  19. KipEsquire says:

    "Students must have a good … moral character."

    I guess 6th Grade isn't too early to start weeding out teh gheys…

  20. SPQR says:

    Ken, good point. It would explain a lot of recent experiences for me.

  21. Charles says:

    For a collapsed civilization we sure have good restaurants.

  22. Ming the Merciless Siamese Cat says:

    "Public education includes many brilliant, dedicated, and skilled teachers and administrators. . . ."

    I call bullshitl.

  23. SPQR says:

    Charles, do you know for a fact that all the good restaurants were gone from Rome after it fell?

  24. Tam says:

    Mandating that a certain percentage of employees be of a certain ethnicity is so dumb that it must have been thought up by the federal government.

  25. Rich Rostrom says:

    ZIPskinny sez this area of Mississippi is 75% white.

    This scheme was adopted, almost certainly, to ensure that black students got to hold some of the student government offices.

    "Gerrymandered districts do not restrict the ethnicity of candidates."

    No, but as a matter of law (the Voting Rights Act) states and localities are required to create "majority-minority" districts, which are expected to elect minority officeholders. The districts are created specifically to enable the election of minorities to office.

    The Nettleton deal is only slightly more explicit. I suspect it originated as a deal to satisfy all segments of the community, and everyone was reasonably satisfied.

    This is, after all, grade-school student government, so it's not as though anyone had any real stake.

  26. Jag says:

    SPQR, I think the biggest complaint in Rome was "We're having Italian again??"

  27. bw says:

    Several high schools in Cleveland had a policy of alternating between white and black annual homecoming queens during the period they were under Battisti's desegregation/bussing order. Bussing was done on a three year rotation – half a neighborhood would get to attend their neighborhood school for three years while the other half were bussed across town, then the arrangement was reversed for the following three years. The homecoming policy was instituted so the opportunity to win as homecoming queen (an entirely write-in election) was not dependent on which three year rotation one spent in high school.

    This was done under the watchful supervision of a federal judge.

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