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  1. Scott Jacobs says:

    I'd like to point out that a LOT of O'Donnell's problem was a nearly complete lack of Oppo research.

    I mean, we all heard about the charge of her misusing campaign funds, but by a show of hands, how many people knew it was done by the FATHER of the woman who ran around to all the MSNBC shows screaming about it?

    Yes, there were other problems, but OD being a horrible candidate wasn't really one of them. A shame it took until after the election to find that out.

    How’s your mid-end game? What’s your general election strategy?

    A record swing to a majority in the House, and a Senate that's so close they won't even bring stuff up for a vote because they fear the R's.

    I'm willing to settle for that. I mean, 2012, isn't that far off, and the biggest talking-point of the TP (spending and the debt) is a massive issue with a huge majority of the electorate.

    I'd also comment that it is telling that, while you apparently often really don't like the Dem candidate you have to work with, you vote for them anyways.

    You might not CONSIDER yourself all that liberal, but you sure vote like one. And you're dismissive of the TEA Party like one, too.

  2. Patrick says:

    Scott, if I recall correctly you considered Donald Rumsfeld a liberal.

  3. Brett says:

    "American politicians used to read How To Win Friends And Influence People; now they read The Art Of War. It's that simple." – @wampusreynolds on Twitter

  4. Dave says:

    Wait, did you just translate a random NY Times article into geek-speak? Cause all I'm seeing is "Racist retards can't plan shit" wrapped up in an overly long and clumsy Starcraft metaphor. It looks like your 'research' was reading random MSM hit pieces, although you forgot to call them 'teabaggers'.

    "No one really knows their motivation."
    That's because there is no central tea party. What you're trying to analyze is a crapload of tiny grassroots groups all using the same name and a handful of neocons who've wrapped themselves in astroturf and adopted that name to blend in. About all these groups can agree on is shrinking government, but not how or how far to shrink it. So there's a bunch of different motivations pushing in various different directions.

    With all this chaos, you probably would've been better off going with a Warhammer metaphor. After all, Zerg are just Tyranids with the serial numbers filed off…

  5. Dan Weber says:

    A healthy distrust of populist movements — regardless of polarity — is always a good idea.

  6. Todd S. says:

    I disagree with a lot of this post, and I don't play Starcraft. I loved it anyway.

  7. Chris says:

    I'd go even further – I disagreed with most of this post, don't have any idea what Starcraft is and think that the post was brilliant.

  8. eddie says:

    Loved all the geek stuff. +1 A+++ would read again

    Think you're dead wrong about everything else, but I promise not to hold it against you. :)

    p.s. SC suxxors TA is tha bomb!!!!

  9. SPQR says:

    While creative, "the TEA Party is racist" theme is dishonest and insulting. The last refuge of the Democrats to avoid discussing the merits of a policy disagreement is not a valid foundation for a post.

  10. Derrick says:

    I did use Warhammer a while ago. The IP and ESSPECIALLY the Dawn of War rts are damn near prefect for writing these. But GW has a bad habit of suing their fans, so I took a limp-wristed geek-stand.
    Rip my political stuff all you like. I appreciate it, esspecially if it's funny. But ' overly long and clumsy' with my Starcraft? HOW DARE YOU.

  11. Douglas Muth says:

    I do believe this is the first time I've seen an attorney reference Starcraft and the Zerg.

    10 points for Gryffindor.

  12. Derrick says:

    Thanks for the points, but I'm not a lawyer. How else do you think I get all this time to play Starcraft?

    The idea behind the article was to discuss a way for non-TP affilated or otherwise 'blessed' GOP candidates to make it the general election stage (mid-late game). My proposed solution was 'know they're coming and head then off at the pass' so to speak. It wasn't supposed to be a 'tea party sucks and here's why' kind of thing. Though I do think they kinda suck, and that came out.

  13. egd says:

    I’m an Obama voter, and I bought a sweet-ass hoodie from his campaign that I then re-sold for $2 profit; which I THEN used to buy a Dr. Pepper.

    First, it should be recognized that this is an awesome bit of capitalism.

    Second, the important question is: would you vote for Obama again? If so, why? "The Republicans are Racist" doesn't count.

    Also, didn't Herman Cain win an early Tea Party poll? Is it racist to support a black politician and not support a half-black politician? If so, could you explain how that works?

  14. Tam says:

    "Stupid racist hicks disagree with me." Did I get that about right?

  15. Derrick says:

    Replace "stupid racist hicks" with "my mom".

  16. Tam says:

    (It got pretty MEGO when we got to the fast-twitch RTS analogies, since I'm more a turn-based kinda gal, being a slightly slow and stupid and having known teabagger affinities, so I'm looking for the Cliff's Notes here…)

  17. mojo says:

    Compared to the Dems? Thanks, I'll take the R's. At least they won't charge me for the bullet they shoot me with.

  18. Locnar says:

    I would just like to state that this article is 100% accurate. Derrick is truly terrible at fantasy football.

  19. A leap at the wheel says:

    I like how you suggest that FINANCIAL ARMAGEDDON involves the debt ceiling and not, like, you know, the massive destruction of wealth owned by private people. That's great parody.


  20. Dave says:

    @ egd – It works because it's blasphemous to oppose the anointed one. Therefore, racist teabaggers. It would be amusing to watch the legacy media talking heads have meltdowns if Cain gets the nomination.

    @ Derrick – There is no 'they', it's a bunch of little groups with no central planning. All a non TP Rep has to do is claim to be TP before a local group springs up to replace them. All they need to do is pay a little lip service to smaller government and they're (usually) golden. For example, look at big government neocon Sarah Palin who somehow became the legacy media's prime example of a tea party politician.

  21. Derrick says:

    I hesitated using Zerg precisely because they ultimately answer to some central authority. But the early rush bit worked so I stuck with it.

    The tea party is like a clan tag. Anyone with a [TP] before their name is going to speak for the whole, regardless if it's reasonable small government talk or anti-gay bullshit. That's just the way it's going to be.

  22. Scott Jacobs says:

    Anyone with a [TP] before their name is going to speak for the whole, regardless if it’s reasonable small government talk or anti-gay bullshit. That’s just the way it’s going to be.

    Wait… Do us non-enlightened folks what don't support Obama because we're horribly racist retards (go Cain) get to use this same logic on anyone with the [Dem] clan tag?

    Because I would love to start asking some Illinois D's about how they support suspending elections…

  23. Geek checking in... says:

    I love these "R vs. D as Starcraft" articles. The 3v3 article was disturbly accurate. Please don't wait a year to put out the next one.

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  25. Scott Jacobs says:

    Scott, if I recall correctly you considered Donald Rumsfeld a liberal.

    I don't recall ever making a statement like that (though I won't say I never did). I liked Rumsfeld well enough.

    It's Bush the Younger who wasn't "conservative" enough.

  26. Ben says:

    Zerg were the best race for early rushes in Starcraft 1, but in Starcraft 2 their style is different. Once you get past Silver League or so, you'll find that the Terran actually have the best rush builds. High-level zergs tend to favor a late-game-oriented strategy of getting a giant income and harassing their opponent with an extremely fast army of mutalisks and/or zerglings. If you can make a political metaphor out of that one, I will be duly impressed.

  27. Tom says:

    I'm saddened at this post. Ad hominem attacks used as valid arguements, my respect for the authors here has diminished.

  28. SPQR says:

    Derrick, Tam owns you.

  29. Ken says:

    I’m saddened at this post. Ad hominem attacks used as valid arguements, my respect for the authors here has diminished.

    Well, now I'm not so sure I'm going to post my treatment of the GOP debates using the Leisure Suit Larry metaphor.

  30. Ken says:

    Also, this is a good a time as any to say that "tolerance of pockets of racism, and tolerance of or willingness to employ traditionally racist tropes" is not the same as "racism," unless you are vastly oversimplifying.

    But I took the reference to be a cheerfully thrown elbow in a patently satirical piece, akin to the cheerfully thrown elbow towards both sides of the aisle that I've thrown here.

    Also, today I'm irritated at the elements of the tea party not for pockets of racism but for pockets of carrying signs like the one I saw online last night, reading "Cut Taxes, Not Defense."

  31. A leap at the wheel says:

    "Also, today I’m irritated at the elements of the tea party not for pockets of racism but for pockets of carrying signs like the one I saw online last night, reading “Cut Taxes, Not Defense.”"

    Right, but that's a policy disagreement, not an exercise in marginalizing your opponents. It's not a position I like, but it's not unpossible. Anyway he didn't say anything about pockets of racism. He said the individuals that make up the tea party are mildly racist. That's either sloppy writing or sloppy logic that most Popehat authors don't engage in. I can find sloppy writing and logic anywhere. It annoys me when it shows up in places I like to read.

  32. Derrick says:

    Sorry. I went to State School. I do the best I can with what i'm given.
    For what it's worth, I sent a copy to my mom before publishing. She said it was pretty sloppy and there was too much cursing.

  33. Ken says:

    Right, but that’s a policy disagreement, not an exercise in marginalizing your opponents.

    Well, it's meant to be a little marginalizing, because one of the things I don't like about the diverse groups that congregate in public and hold signs and call themselves "tea party" is that many of their signs tend to be very stupid, tending to undermine those ideas associated with the "tea party" that I do like.

    I mean, they're not dressing up like paper-mache sea turtles, and they seem to bathe with some frequency, so they have advantages over some classes of protestors.

    But, pockets of tolerance for racism aside, too many tea party groups seem to have a high tolerance for stupid.

    I mean, say what you like about the Fred Phelps folks, but those people have some message control.

    But what do I know? I don't even know why descent is the highest form of patriotic.

    Anyway, given that I make rude generalizations about Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals, and people who call themselves Libertarian all the time — Christ, to say nothing of the Canadians — it is not within me to be too offended by Derrick's somewhat trollish exaggeration in a satirical post, even if I might be closer to the tea partiers on the spectrum than to Derrick.

  34. ElamBend says:

    FWIW, I went to many of the very early Tea Party public events in Chicago and it was actually a pretty diverse crowd both ethnically and ideologically. (i.e I saw non-hippie Rasta types there). I also heard W booed at a couple of the early events (for his spending). I haven't been to anything in quite some time, partially because once something becomes too popular I don't like it and partially because if I can't walk to it I don't care. Anyway, I've gotten the impression that the Tea Party has become a broad amalgamation of groups and moved a bit right as the gray haired set picked up on it.

    I also never heard of Starcraft until yesterday when I learned it a big pro sport in Korea:

    If I was young and single, I'd live in Korea for a year.

  35. PLW says:

    Descent is pretty good, but I still believe that Doom is the highest form of patriotism. Maybe I'm old-school.

  36. Dave says:

    @ PLW – Nah, Wolfenstein tops Doom. Shooting Hitler in the face with a minigun is the highest form of patriotism.

  37. Al says:

    Right, but that’s a policy disagreement, not an exercise in marginalizing your opponents.

    Are we calling a position that's, and I'm being pretty Goddamned generous here, just slightly smarter than "Keep the government out of my Medicare!" a policy disagreement? Really?

  38. Xmas says:

    Well…it's an enjoyable article…

    But, the Tea Party is the mid-game. The Democrats had an overwhelming win in 2008. They captured the House, Senate and the Presidency. They could have done anything they wanted (and, partially, the did). But they believed their 2008 win signaled a long-term Democratic hold on power, but 2008 was really a reflexive rejection of Bush paired up with a really shitty selection for a Presidential candidate.

    In 2008, the Tea Party was a fart in the wind. They were angry with Bush and the Democrats in Congress for passing TARP. And, instead of using that Republican anger at Bush, the Democrats doubled down on more bad spending. Follow this up with the Dems passing NO BUDGET IN 2010, they, team [DEM], let the Tea Party flex their muscles 6 months later.

    To run with your Starcraft analogy, the Dems over extended with no defenses and very poor resource management after they successfully Zerg(ACORN) rushed in 2008 and they left one Terran SCV over in the corner of the map.

  39. Derrick says:

    That's a much more expansive view than the one I usually take.

    I generally view elections as a single game. So the primaries are early-game, generals are late. I consider mid to be that weird section where the candidates are clear but the primaries aren't over.

    But I think you may be underrating the Obama campaign in 08. They had a huge econ advantage also, and that's due to good play. And they knew the map way better, as you could see from mccain's stupid forray into the DC expansion.

  40. Elam Bend says:

    I'd say the real big story of the Obama campaign is that they understood the Dem primary system much better than the Clintoncampaign and followed strategy that allowed themtowin even though Clintonwon all the big statesin the end. Clinton should have crucified Maark Penn for missing that.

  41. Patrick says:

    I have a rebuttal to Derrick, which you people can't see because it's in the hidden section of our forum. It involves a different Blizzard game.

    I may turn it into a post next week.