Reciting Constitutional Rights To The TSA Is Disorderly Conduct

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  1. TJIC says:

    Remind me again why it's too soon to start shooting them?

  2. TJIC:

    Unfortunately, stories like these generate dismissive rhetoric equally from left and right: “flying is a privilege, not a right” “the government has the right to border and airport searches” “you are just making a scene for attention” “just shut up and let us get through security.”

    Because those people aren't on your side… yet.

    As Sun Tzu said, you need to win before you go to war.

  3. shotgunner says:

    What I do not understand about all this is why the government is involved. If this were a totally private matter, solely between me and the airline, then the airline could say "we wish to protect our clients, employees and our equipment. If you wish to fly with us you must consent to –>insert search technique here<–. If you do not consent, we will not allow you on our airplanes.

  4. Rliyen says:

    Until this abusive pattern of behavior by the TSA is squashed, I refuse to fly. And every person who does this for of protest, I applaud them.

    Ten years ago, I thought forming the TSA was a good thing. Now, ten years on, with the agency unionizing and declaiming idiotic things being done 'in the name of safety', I thoroughly feel disgusted with myself and the leviathan this shitty agency has become.

  5. Rliyen says:

    Hmm. TSA – This Shitty Agency…. Maybe I'll make a T-shirt.

  6. Goober says:

    Shotgunner – to take your idea one step further, a private airline could likewise just as easily say "we aren't going to search your bags at all besides running them through an explosives sniffer. Brings guns on board. Bring knives on board. Be our guest. Just remember, whoever pulls their gun out first is the terrorist. Whoever pulls their gun out second is everyone else. best of luck to you terrorists out there!"

    I would fly this airline any day over the one with the fake security theater.

  7. TC says:

    I had a similar experience a few days ago. I refused to go through the body scanner, so I had to do the pat down. After each statement by the TSA agent, I said "That is fine, but please do not touch my privates." After me saying it 3 times, she told me that if I didn't stop saying "privates," she would call over a supervisor. I said, "I have a right to tell you to not touch my genitals, and I will continue to do so." She proceeded to tell me the next things she was going to touch, and I said, "That's fine, but please do not touch my privates. " She said "THAT'S IT!" and called over the supervisor.

    She told the supervisor that I kept telling her not to touch my privates, and that she was unable to complete my pat down with me saying that. I told the supervisor that I know my rights, and I have a right to say that I don't want my genitals touched by TSA. He said that I did not have to keep repeating it, and I said that I felt it necessary to repeat it so that the agent was clear about my wishes.

    The supervisor stared me down and said "You have a choice. You can submit to the pat down, or you can leave the airport."

    I said, "I have submitted to the patdown. I know my rights, and I am not intimidated. [getting louder] I do not want TSA touching my genitals, and I will keep instructing TSA to not touch my privates. I have a right to instruct TSA to not touch my privates. I know my rights and I am not intimidated."

    He told the agent to complete the pat down. She continued to explain her procedures. I continued to say "That is fine. Please do not touch my privates." She completed the pat down and let me go.

    It makes me sad that so many people are afraid to speak up to TSA. We still have rights, and unless we take control of them, we will continue to lose those rights and liberties.

  8. Ken says:

    Good for you, TC.

  9. PLW says:

    The private solution would work perfectly if it were only private costs. If the plane crashes into a building, however, now there are costs borne by people who didn't agree to bear them. That's the rationale for regulation.

  10. Dan Weber says:

    If the plane crashes into a building, however, now there are costs borne by people who didn’t agree to bear them.

    We don't need the TSA to stop those. Go back to year-2000 security levels, except secure the cockpit doors like we do now.

    Badabing, we're done.

  11. EH says:

    What, you don't remember before there was a TSA when planes were flying into buildings all the time?

  12. perlhaqr says:

    TC: They aren't all that happy when you go the other direction, either, and refer to the patdown as a "groping" and look excited about it.

  13. SPQR says:

    The technique of taking over the cockpit to fly an airliner into the ground was obsolete by noon 9/11/01. Its not a real threat any longer. The TSA truly is security theatre and very expensive theatre at that.

    Screen for firearms and significant bomb material and be done with it. The passengers will take care of the rest.

  14. Scott Jacobs says:

    Stories about the TSA acting like this is only going to serve to make me act in similar fashion.

    My girlfriend needs to hurry up and more to Illinois, lest I never be able to see her due to my being put on a no fly list.

  15. lodermulch says:

    seen from a distance (europe ;) )
    it's actually really sad that this discussion is even happening.

  16. C. S. P. Schofield says:

    I've gathered, by reading about this in a lot of different places, that my point of view is abnormal; as I see it, TSA was created solely because of calls for 'better security'. There was no pressing need. It was obvious, as has been proven a time or two since, that anybody who tried to take over a plane from then on was going to end up in the overhead luggage compartment, in somewhat used condition. So, the TSA was created to fill a PERCEIVED rather than an actual need. Most of the people involved probably know this. Nobody with anything better to do is supervising the matter. The TSA has grown bloated and arrogant simply because they have never been brought up short.

    Maybe if enough people make a big enough stink, that will change. Certainly nothing will change if nobody complains at all.

  17. VPJ says:

    Something I read recently seems appropriate here…just…ah…found it.

    Honestly, sometimes the cops people who write about the TSA on libertarian blogs must feel like they’re clubbing baby seals.

    Shouldn't you be saving the easy ones for the weekend?

  18. NLP says:

    TSA is now stopping people on highways? I can't wait for the responses when they start to inspect Massachusetts highway drivers.

    "Where are you headed, Ma'am?"

    "Haven't the foggiest. I just needed to get out of the house."

    "Do you know how many pollutants you're putting in the air? A nice walk around the block might be a better idea if you need to get out of the house."

    "Fine. I'll retract my response. I'm trying to find a place where I'm not given the third degree for existing."

    "That answer is considered disorderly conduct, Ma'am. I'll have to ask you to get out of the car."

    I'd write my representatives in Washington, but they voted for the Patriot Act and I gave up on them then.

  19. Scott Jacobs says:

    Me: "Search my car? Why no. No you can not search my car, officer. You're free, I suppose, to get yourself a warrant, but when you do I would love to see what BS you feed them as Probably Cause."

    Officer: "Well, I don't think you were wearing your seat-belt back there."

    Me: "Well, that's a damned lie, and since you only THINK I wasn't, instead of having some kind of actual proof, I will enjoy fighting whatever BS ticket you write for me in court – I have nothing but time for you, officer."

  20. Bethie says:

    Girrrllll !!!!!! You go! We need more US citizens like you who are self aware enough and prepared to stand and not fear for our constitutional rights. There are to many of us who just go along with the changes that we don't even understand how the government is robbing us of our very own constitutional rights. Thank you for your bravery and hope you don't mind if I steal your profoundly wonderful idealism to combat the idiots who know nothing of our government history and constitution.

  21. G Thompson says:

    He says if I read the statement, I can’t pay attention to what the frisking officer tells me. You know, how she is going to put her hands here and there and use the back of her hand to check my “sensitive areas”

    What? They now want to tell you when they are going to molest you? But But.. where's the thrill of the unknown in that.

    Seriously… how can any authority make anyone listen to them, and if you don't listen to them you are arrested for *insert trumped up authoritarian Kafkaesque like charge here*.

    If someone wants me to listen to them they can pay me for the privilege seeing as normally I plead that I am too poor to pay attention.

  22. TJIC says:


    > Screen for firearms

    How much of a discount do passengers get if they bring their own?

    Do they need to demonstrate proficiency, or is mere possession sufficient?

  23. SPQR says:

    TJIC, good point. I should get a discount for providing security for them.

  24. JF says:

    How far we've gone down the yellow-brick road to Hell: Back in 1982, just rifling through your baggage was considered oppressive enough to illustrate the evil of Soviet Russia: Fire Fox airport scene

  25. DonM says:

    Aside from the TSA, the Depts of Education, Agriculture, Interior, EPA, Interior, Labor, HUD, HHS, are also not only unnecessary but unconstitutional. The national parks are unconstitutional and should be sold off.

    I would be happy if the fed budget was 20% of what it is, and all went to defense.

  26. Bruce Edwards says:

    The terrorists have won, the TSA / Fatherland Security Gestapo are the armed socialist cadre busy telling us were are subjects and not free citizens I will not fly anymore.

  27. Jennifer says:

    The purpose of the TSA is to train Americans to succumb to authority, no matter how capricious. Take the three-ounce rule, for instance: if there were an actual safety basis behind it, it would be "three ounces, period." But no: you can legally carry six ounces of shampoo on the plane, it just has to be decanted into two bottles of three ounces each. Why one way and not the other? Because I said so, now shut up and obey me.

    Does anyone remember the ill-fated bathroom ban from Christmas 2009? For the last hour of a flight, nobody was supposed to leave their seat, and people were supposed to keep their hands visible at all times. That had nothing to do with safety either; that was all about treating ordinary citizens like inmates in a supermax prison.

  28. Scott Jacobs says:

    And I dunno about you folks, but "an hour before landing" is right about where the couple of beers I had before my flight start to make themselves known to my bladder.

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